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| message from Henry on 26 Jun 2005 |
By dialling the access no 0844 428 46 46 you can now call from a BT
Landline, at any time, UK Mobiles including (07744) and 3, for just 4p
a minute.
This service is provided by www.dialwise.co.uk who are part of the
1899/18866 group.
This access no also works from Onetel and probaly from other carriers.
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| dave @ stejonda replied to Henry on 30 Jun 2005 |
From the Dialwise FAQs: "If you press the hash (#) key after the
international number, you just speed up connection as the computer will
know you have finished dialling. Do not worry if you forget to press the
hash (#) key, a connection will still be established."
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| Tiscali Tim replied to Henry on 28 Jun 2005 |
I notice from the Dialwise site that they mostly use 0844 numbers, but with
different numbers after that - e.g. 861 1p, 462 2p, 439 3p, 566 5p
Can someone in the know please explain 0844 call pricing - and how the hell
Oftel/com (whatever they're called today!) allowed such a confusing array of
prices, all using the same basic 0844 code?
The drop-down pricelist on the Dialwise site isn't wide enough to give a
full description of the various UK options. I can't find a printable table
anywhere with all destinations/prefix codes/prices in it. Is there one?
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| Tiscali Tim replied to Tiscali Tim on 28 Jun 2005 |
Sod the operators! Don't Ofcom have any sort of duty to make things
understandable for the punters?
Quite neat - until they want to change their pricing structure!
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| r_mervart replied to Tiscali Tim on 28 Jun 2005 |
....which would not be so good for users who would need to keep changing
access numbers for calling the same destination.
Roman
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| Andy Pandy replied to r_mervart on 29 Jun 2005 |
They would have to anyway since the price charged depends on what number is
dialled.
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| Victor Delta replied to Andy Pandy on 29 Jun 2005 |
So how do these operators handle price increases? 1899 and 18866 can put
their prices up easily and almost unnoticed (other than the price
announcement at the start of each call) but do these guys have to close the
route and then allocate another higher priced number for, say, calls to
mobiles?
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| Tiscali Tim replied to Phil Thompson on 28 Jun 2005 |
You can say that again!
Many thanks.
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| Victor Delta replied to Tiscali Tim on 28 Jun 2005 |
Amazing that the first table still uses the expressions 'local' in relation
to 0845 and 'national' in relation to 0870 etc in the Charge rate column. I
thought Ofcom was trying to outlaw this misleading practice?
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| Victor Delta replied to Phil Thompson on 29 Jun 2005 |
"Joel Feinstein" <joel.feinstein@gmail.com> wrote in message > There is also
a single pdf document you can use, currently at
Thanks. It's very helpful - but, despite being dated June 05, I see there
are still references to 'local' and 'national' call charges in relation to
0845 and 0870 etc numbers.
Completely scandalous and misleading IMHO.
BT ought to know better.
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| Andy Pandy replied to Phil Thompson on 28 Jun 2005 |
I think 0844 are limited to 5ppm max.
Of course other telcos may change different rates - and probably more likely to
be higher than BT rates rather than lower. It is usually not easy to find rates
for other telcos, so you're probably best using BT for these calls if possible.
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| Rupert replied to Henry on 27 Jun 2005 |
Why do you say that Ivor?
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| r_mervart replied to Jason on 27 Jun 2005 |
... and Abroadtel is the cheapest for some calls abroad, e.g. to Czech
republic
landlines and mobiles. May not be any good for you but is great for me -:)
Roman
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| Peter Morgan - 0870 432 9632 replied to Henry on 27 Jun 2005 |
NO NEED TO SHOUT....
Many Thanks for the info. I know someone who has a '3' mobile for the
lower cost calls he needs to make to mobiles (a deal at the end of '04
means that with cheque refunds, each month will average 500p for 500 m
of included calls, including cross-network calls... Since most of the
reps he calls from his shop are only available on mobile numbers, this
is a considerable saving for him... Anyway, for the fewer calls I make
4p/min seems fine... and I can think of plenty of friends who may also
make use of this access number. Now, how to get this into an Orchid ?
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| Ivor Jones replied to Peter Morgan - 0870 432 9632 on 27 Jun 2005 |
Hmm, another one that claims to be able to tell the difference between a
US landline and mobile...
Ivor
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| Victor Delta replied to Ivor Jones on 27 Jun 2005 |
No one has picked up the question about programming an Orchid dialler to use
this number - can it be done?
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| Brian A replied to Victor Delta on 28 Jun 2005 |
As soon as I saw this thread I checked out the Orchid list of numbers.
The number was there but with no pauses after it. i guess someone had
asked Richard to include the number but hadn't asked for any pauses -
I guess it will need some. Has anyone tried it out as it stands, with
no pauses, for the calling UK mobile number 0844 428 46 46, from a BT
line ?
Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.
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| Victor Delta replied to Brian A on 28 Jun 2005 |
So, once the delay is in place, do you just select these numbers as another
carrier and then use the routing table to, say, route 07 calls to that
carrier at appropriate times - or is it more complicated than that, please?
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| Brian A replied to Victor Delta on 29 Jun 2005 |
0844 428 46 46 now is available with 2 and 4 second dealys on Orchid.
I have used the 4 second one to be safe.
Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.
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| Victor Delta replied to Brian A on 29 Jun 2005 |
How do you tell the different delays - is it the number of # symbols after
the number?
And the dialwise recorded announcement asks you to put a hash after the
number you want to dial - do you have to put that in yourself or does the
Orchid dialler do that automatically?
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| Brian A replied to Victor Delta on 29 Jun 2005 |
Yes - each #=one second.
Yourself - I don't know another way unles someone else comes up with
one.
Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.
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| Victor Delta replied to Brian A on 29 Jun 2005 |
I've just tried it (via Orchid dialler + 4 sec delay) and it seemed to work
without the end hash!
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| r_mervart replied to Victor Delta on 29 Jun 2005 |
Orchid dialler does not add hash (which clearly marks the end of dialling)
but it normally works OK without it.
Roman
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| Brian A replied to Victor Delta on 29 Jun 2005 |
That is exactly right. If, for example, you made this carier No.2 then
you would enter '2' for Mon-Fri 07 calls and leave 18866 for weekend
07 calls.
Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.
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| r_mervart replied to Brian A on 29 Jun 2005 |
I send mail to Richard asking for adding 0844 428 46 46 with 2s. delay. This
delay is normally OK for my calls using NTL line. I think there would be no
harm done if he received more that one request -:)
Roman
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| Victor Delta replied to r_mervart on 29 Jun 2005 |
How have you found the 2sec delay? I see Richard has now set up 2, 4 and 5
second options on this number!
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| r_mervart replied to Victor Delta on 29 Jun 2005 |
Two calls made, so far OK.
Roman
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| Peter Morgan - 0870 432 9632 replied to Victor Delta on 28 Jun 2005 |
Oh no he didn't... that was me :-)
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| r_mervart replied to Victor Delta on 28 Jun 2005 |
When I checked yesterday Dialwise number for UK mobiles 0844 428 46 46 was
already there, with no delay. I sent them an e-mail request to add the same
number but with 2s. delay as, from experience, that is what I normally need
on NTL line. So far had no response and at present have problems connecting
to the Client.
Roman
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| r_mervart replied to r_mervart on 28 Jun 2005 |
...connected now and can see that AbroadTel number to call UK mobiles
is there too (with 4s. delay)
Roman
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| GwG replied to r_mervart on 29 Jun 2005 |
I have just downloaded the NTL price list, and it gives 0844 428 numbers as
code P11, which is £1.30 per minute.
The P11 is sandwiched between PG10 and PG12, so it looks like the P11 should
really be PG11, which is 4p per minute.
I tried to check this with NTL and didn't get very far, but as someone else
pointed out, there is a limit on the cost of dialling 0844 numbers, so it is
very unlikely to be charged at £1.30 :-)
All the other rates seem to be the same on NTL as BT.
Useful snippet picked up when talking to the NTL rep about this, NTL are
apparently releasing a new price list tomorrow.
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| r_mervart replied to GwG on 29 Jun 2005 |
Well spotted. I also raised it with NTL and, after making some enquiries,
the rep.
agreed that it is mistake and that it should be PG11
Roman
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| Peter Morgan - 0870 432 9632 replied to Ivor Jones on 27 Jun 2005 |
I thought that was directed 'at me', to which I'd respond "Oh no I don't!"
Why not quote the original post, so it is clearer (or trim what I wrote, so
your follow up showed only the bit to which you referred... but only if
there was no sign of the original post from your news server). Peter M.
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| Andy Pandy replied to Ivor Jones on 27 Jun 2005 |
They've got different rates to US landlines and US mobiles. I don't think it's
possible to tell that a number is a mobile or a landline in the US, so the
charges should be the same. There should be no extra cost in terminating a call
on a US mobile as the caller pays to recieve.
Their international charges look good though - better than
telediscount/telestunt/1899 etc.
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| Ivor Jones replied to Andy Pandy on 27 Jun 2005 |
1p/min to US landlines, 2p to mobiles. I'll have to call one and see what
it gets charged I suppose.
I suppose it's technically possible to tell, or they wouldn't know where
to route the call, but I doubt that the originating network in the UK has
the ability.
Ivor
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| Geoff Harrison replied to Ivor Jones on 29 Jun 2005 |
..snip
Rupert wrote:
I explained how in U.T.VOIP. Maybe Ivor is refering to me. Ivor?
It IS passed on to the originating network and is standard. Even the
switch number is passed. As an example, I've not long rang two numbers
in Texas, one ending digit difference. Here's the switch codes that got
transmitted back :
DLLSTX64DS3-southwesternbell
RONKTXWODS0-ionex
There's quite lot of info passed when you dial a number. Very surprising
to see really.
In a nutshell, not only is it done electronically, the numbers (like IP
addresses) are sold in blocks to companies and are clearly defined and
everybody has access to these.
Hopefully there are some services that don't respond [electronically]
or lookup these numbers. Worth a try - let us know what you're billed!
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| Ivor Jones replied to Geoff Harrison on 30 Jun 2005 |
[snip]
All well and good, but given that you can port a number between a landline
and a mobile, in the same way you can between mobile networks here, there
is still no way to tell *before* you dial the number.
What happens if you attempt to call a mobile from the access number for
landlines..? Will it connect you or will it refuse..?
Ivor
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| Nicholas Lawrence replied to Ivor Jones on 27 Jun 2005 |
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote >
If you call from a BT line, dialwise's numbers for calls to
the USA get charged, on your BT bill, at the rates in BT's
price list, which are indeed (in the June list) 1p or 2p a
minute (and subject, of course, to BT's 5p minimum charge).
The interesting question is what happens if you call the 1p
a minute number, and then call a US number which you (but,
we think, not dialwise) know is a mobile.
Nicholas Lawrence
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| pussy galore replied to Henry on 28 Jun 2005 |
if u use 08444284646 @4p from landline to mobile & call
www.simply-fone.com 's access 07744 974 363 number - you can then call
to India/mobile & Pakistan & loadsa places ..... (380 countries) for
only 4p incl. !!
unbelievable. my mum's using this all day long
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