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| message from Tony on 27 Jun 2005 |
What a great idea.
The mobile phone has become a thorn in the side of modern day school life.
There is no need for these items to be part of school and indeed every
gereration before this one never had or needed a mobile phone in school. If
parents needed to contact a pupil, they did so by calling the school
directly and getting the message to be passed on to the pupil, this worked
just fine for many years before the mobile became popular and could work
again, once a ban is in place. A blanket ban is being planned for mobiles,
by installing cellphone blocking equipment within the school area to block a
phones ability to send and receive radio signals, this would basically make
the phone useless as a communication device within the school. The mobile
phone has become a big distraction in schools and a source of 'trouble
causing' and 'bullying' in many cases (especially now that many mobiles have
camera and video recording facilities built in. Hopefully such a ban will
take place very soon, now that ministers are calling for their complete ban
from schools. Mobile phones are being used by some pupils to send and
receive SMS and to send video messages around the school during the day to
promote bullying and cause trouble within the school. This ban is an
excellent move I believe and should be introduced as soon as possible. The
sooner they are banned, the better.
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| Graham Murray replied to Tony on 27 Jun 2005 |
How will they ensure that it only blocks within the school premises? I
live next door to a school and would be very unhappy if the school did
anything to prevent my mobile phone working at home (I do not make
many calls on the mobile from home, but do exchanged SMSs and receive
calls on the mobile)
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| R. Mark Clayton replied to Graham Murray on 27 Jun 2005 |
Aluminium foil backed wallpaper. Won't work in the playground though. I
suppose they could ban children bringing them to school, but I doubt parents
would stand for that.
OTOH I think the OP was trolling.
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| David Marshall replied to R. Mark Clayton on 27 Jun 2005 |
Just wrap the children in the foil-backed wallpaper. Easy.
Afraid of radio waves. Whatever next...
Dave
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| Ivor Jones replied to Tony on 27 Jun 2005 |
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Interesting. The source of this article, please, if you didn't write it..?
The use of blocking equipment is actually illegal.
Ivor
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| Gareth Evans replied to Ivor Jones on 27 Jun 2005 |
Yeah, I would have thought so! Plus if someone did want to make a quick
emergency call they wouldn't be able to.
Gareth
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| Mehdi replied to Ivor Jones on 27 Jun 2005 |
Plus it would not prevents phones to be used as game consoles or
bluejacking devices to chat in the classrooms. That would be yet another
expensive useless politically correct decision.
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| Stephen (Sausagefans.com) replied to percy on 27 Jun 2005 |
What an excellent idea, stop the signal to somehow disable the video
function!!!
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| Ivor Jones replied to percy on 27 Jun 2005 |
That article doesn't advocate blocking (although it does touch on it),
merely banning children from bringing phones into school. Use of active
equipment remains illegal.
I like the cage idea though <g>
Ivor
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| Dave C replied to percy on 27 Jun 2005 |
Why spend all this money on phone jammers when the answer to the problem
costs only a few pence from any garden centre. ---- (ducks to keep clear
of the flack) :-)
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| Stephen (Sausagefans.com) replied to Dave C on 27 Jun 2005 |
We already have teachers in schools who should be able to control the
kids.
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| chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco replied to Stephen (Sausagefans.com) on 27 Jun 2005 |
They usually do, and most schools I've visited have very strict rules on
mobile use, and seem able to enforce them. Of course, this won't stop
them being used during breaks, etc. The call from the MP is hysterical
and out of proportion, and doesn't tackle the issue. In a recent
well-publicised case in a Manchester suburb, a girl was attacked (and
lost consciousness, requiring hospital care) and the video of this was
apparently circulating at school. All the 16 year old female perpetrator
of the assault got was a caution. Given the seriousness of the case
(people die as a result of similar assaults) _that's_ the real root of
the problem, not jamming phone signals.
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| Dave Mayall replied to Ivor Jones on 27 Jun 2005 |
No it isn't.
Use of *active* blocking equipment is illegal.
Use of passive measures to prevent the signal entering the building is not.
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| Mark Foster replied to Dave Mayall on 27 Jun 2005 |
So are we to believe that all schools are to have cages built around
them?
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| Dave Mayall replied to Mark Foster on 27 Jun 2005 |
It would be an idea!
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| Marc replied to Dave Mayall on 27 Jun 2005 |
"passive measures" don't tend to be called blocking equipment do they?
So in that respect, blocking equipment is illegal.
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| Dave Mayall replied to Marc on 28 Jun 2005 |
They do by me.
Only if you choose to define it that way.
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| Albrow SJ replied to Tony on 27 Jun 2005 |
What happened to human rights, would you find it acceptable for instance if
your work place banned mobile phones (assuming you also don't have access to
a desk phone?). I realise that there are places where mobiles are banned for
confidentiality reasons, but the fact is there would be outrage if it was
suggested.
Banning mobile phones in schools, or installing blocking devices is yet
another example of using a technological soloution for a social problem.
Bullying has been happening in schools well before any of us was born and
the telephone was invented, why should it be blamed for bullying?
The issue is dealing with the root cause, anyone incapable of a) having some
manners and not turning there phone to silent \ off during a lesson \
meeting OR b) anyone sending malicious messages or bullying \ harrassing
someone using any means should be dealt with severly, particuarly with b.
We all know that mobile phones can be annoying, and i'm a firm beliver that
'ring ring' or vibrate are the only acceptable things for a phone to do -
they are a tool, not a fashion accessory after all. It is however wrong to
stop people of any age exercising their right to communicate with other
people how they see fit. Schools should not be preventing this kind of
technology, but promoting its responsible use and taking a hard line on
inappropiate use.
No doubt teachers will be allowed to have mobile phones in school if such a
ban came into place - so surely its obvious, promoting the use and
convinience of using a mobile phone in the same way you get taught to use
email as an effective communications tool is the answer.
Sam
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| Stephen (Sausagefans.com) replied to Tony on 27 Jun 2005 |
Has it?
Do you work in school?
Can you cite an article for this?
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| Richard Sobey replied to Tony on 27 Jun 2005 |
Rubbish. This smacks of a "when I was a lad, we didn't have all these
new-fangled electro-trickery devices and I managed fine". Times are
changing, my friend.
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| Jon replied to Tony on 27 Jun 2005 |
Hear hear, however...
Is illegal, and therefore I suspect your post to be a great big troll.
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| D4@me.com replied to Jon on 28 Jun 2005 |
Just make mobile phones illigal to under 18's. Hopefully they are a
little more grown up at 18.
Thinking about it, ban them untill 25 !!!
In article <MPG.1d2a7b1bee2149f0989982@usenet.plus.net>, Jon
<spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote:
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| Brian A replied to D4@me.com on 28 Jun 2005 |
I don't believe in jamming mobile phones. It could be the thin end of
the wedge - where next. It also smacks of adults interfering with
youth culture. I think if I was at school and I found I couldn't use
my phone I would be well annoyed.
What happens when these people go out of the school grounds - does the
bullying stop suddenly - I don't think so.
There has to be a change in culture - like there was perhaps with
drinking and driving. Young people should not be treated like second
class citizens. It should be just uncool to bully. It will take time
to deal with this. You can't deal with a social problem like this by
banning use of mobile phones, the bullying etc. will just shift to
another pattern.
There is always a knee- jerk reaction to events. It was/is the same
with drugs. One person who takes 'E' dies so suddenly 'E' is a
killer. Then you go to a club and find people are not dying when they
take 'E' so then the message is discredited and people assume 'E; is
OK because the mesage was all a lie. Subsequent messages about 'H'
etc. are just ignored. A better message might have been that 'E' can
affect your mental health.
I don't have a lot of faith in MPs anyway. You only have to listen to
some of them to realise that they have absolutely no idea about how
some people live. They often react in ignorance after reading some
sensational newspaper article.
Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.
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