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| message from David W.E. Roberts on 12 May 2004 |
Hi,
yes, it has finally turned up - a reorder via a different carrier.
Now from previous comments (e.g. 'given away with the disc') and from the
picture on the Screwfix website I gained the impression that a cutting disc
was included with the angle grinder.
Did other purchasers of this £6.99 tool get a disc included, or is the only
disc the cardboard one in the picture on the box?
The instructions did not seem to include a 'you should have these bits'
list.
There is a spare pair of brushes included.
Cheers
Dave R
P.S. I now fully understand the comments about the power switch :-(
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| Christian McArdle replied to David W.E. Roberts on 12 May 2004 |
Mine did not come with a disc, not did I expect it to, given that a disc
costs more than 7 quid (assuming you use proper diamond blades and don't
waste time with crappy "stone" blades).
The picture on the website that I see has no disc. Also, the text doesn't
mention one.
Christian.
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| Grunff replied to David W.E. Roberts on 12 May 2004 |
This has always mystified me. All the cheap angle grinders I've ever
bought (used as disposables, see other thread) have included spare
brushes. But in reality the brushes *never* need replacing. Now if they
included a spare armature, or a spare power switch...
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| Andy Hall replied to Grunff on 12 May 2004 |
Because there is a perception that the brushes are a consumable item
(the consumable item) and the Chinese manufacturers have heard it as a
sales objection to what they are selling via countless private labels.
They don't want to carry spares and neither do the routes to market
that they use. Therefore the most effective solution is to throw in a
pair of near zero cost brushes.
.andy
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| Grunff replied to Andy Hall on 12 May 2004 |
It just amazes me that anyone, including marketing people, would think
that these things would last long enough to need replacement brushes.
FWIW, I think the sub £10 4" angle grinders are a great disposable tool,
for the jobs you don't want to use your good angle grinder on. I'd hate
to see them off the market.
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| IMM replied to Grunff on 13 May 2004 |
I bought 5 years ago a £15 Power Devil grinder to do a bathroom. If it fell
apart after it had been worthwhile. It still goes and I use it to sharpen
things with and the odd occasional use here and there. Great value. Did
the job well.
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| Andy Hall replied to IMM on 13 May 2004 |
The bathroom?
Is it any good for cutting plastic pipe?
.andy
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| IMM replied to Andy Hall on 14 May 2004 |
Yes the bathroom, that is what I said. 10/10 for observation.
I don't know, I always use my extensive skills to cut plastic, using
appropriate tools.
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| Andy Hall replied to IMM on 14 May 2004 |
Mmmmmm.........
.andy
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| IMM replied to Andy Hall on 14 May 2004 |
Yummmmm..........
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| scorch replied to IMM on 15 May 2004 |
Like hammers?
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| IMM replied to scorch on 15 May 2004 |
Makes them into axes?
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| Grunff replied to IMM on 13 May 2004 |
I was wondering when you were going to add your words of wisdom.
It doesn't in the least bit surprise me that you have a 25 year old
angle grinder which you got free with a packet of soup, which you've
used every day for the last 25 years, and which still performs
flawlessly, still using the original grinding disk that came with it.
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| IMM replied to Grunff on 14 May 2004 |
You do need these words.
Please read again. 5 years ago.
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| Andy Hall replied to Grunff on 12 May 2004 |
No it doesn't matter.
The point is that they think that the customer believes that the
product will be good and last a long time - or at least they wouldn't
want to disavow the customer of that before he buys.
Therefore if the customer believes that the brushes are a wear item,
then it's a great selling point to give the extra brushes.
.andy
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| Grunff replied to Andy Hall on 13 May 2004 |
If that really is the logic they follow (which is quite possible), then
that's really, really funny. So these products are aimed at people who
think that they will get a good quality tool which lasts several years
and needs brush replacement for £5.99? There are others like IMM??
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| IMM replied to Grunff on 14 May 2004 |
How many £400 power tools have you bought this week to lay in the cupboard
all year?
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| Grunff replied to IMM on 14 May 2004 |
Sadly I don't own any £400 power tools. The single most expensive power
tool I own is my recently purchased Makita (£280). This also happens to
be the tool I use most. Almost everything else is Bosch, and in the
£50-£150 bracket.
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| Andy Hall replied to Grunff on 13 May 2004 |
That might be. I think the point is that the *manufacturers* believe
that that is what the customer thinks.
.andy
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| Pete C replied to Grunff on 13 May 2004 |
Hi,
What jobs are there that good angle grinders aren't any good at? I
don't see people working on sites needing a box of cheap grinders.
Seems a bit of a waste to me, I feel sorry for the chinese earning a
few $ a day making stuff that people break and throw away after a
short while.
cheers,
Pete.
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| Grunff replied to Pete C on 13 May 2004 |
It's not that they aren't good at them - they'd be very good at them. As
I said in another thread, I have two blue Bosch grinders (4" and 9") and
a B&D 4", but I use these for metal work.
IME the one thing that is guaranteed to kill bearings is fine stone
dust, so my good grinders (yes, even the B&D is pretty decent) aren't
allowed anywhere near stone dust.
Don't really want to get into a political discussion, but the current
boom in China's economy, and the associated improvement in living
standards (no matter how anti-capitalist you are, the improvement in
living standards can't be ignored) is almost entirely due to this type
of product.
I don't like cheap tools - I like good ones. But that's exactly why I
like to look after my good grinders and not use them for stone. So for
the odd occasion when I need to do stone work, I buy a cheap grinder and
throw it away when it dies.
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| Pete C replied to Grunff on 14 May 2004 |
I see, maybe a blower or box fan would help to keep the dust out of
the bearings, and make it easier to follow the cut at the same time.
True, but the living standards of their factory workers barely risen
at all, especially considering where they started from. I'd happily
pay a few quid more for a grinder if I knew the people making them
were getting paid a living wage.
cheers,
Pete.
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| Steven Briggs replied to Grunff on 14 May 2004 |
In message <2gfmlqF2d82jU2@uni-berlin.de>, Grunff <grunff@ixxa.com>
writes
Very interesting.
Spend 5.99 and get 2 sets of motor brushes (the one's in the grinder,
and the spare set supplied). Throw the rest away.
Much cheaper then £15+ I recently paid for a set of brushes for the
shower pump.
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| usenet replied to Grunff on 12 May 2004 |
It seems quite random, I don't think any of my Ferm stuff included
spare brushes but the 'Toledo' chop saw did. I have labelled the
plastic bag and stashed them away carefully but the chances of them
ever being needed (or found if they are needed) seems pretty small to
me!
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| Lurch replied to Grunff on 12 May 2004 |
I've got loads of brush sets for cheap throwaway power tools. The
brushes are barely worn in when something else collapses! They'd be
better off throwing in a disc of somesort, I've never got one of those
with a cheap grinder.
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| Capitol replied to Grunff on 12 May 2004 |
These are included, so that you can grind them down to repair your old B & D
/ Hoover/car heater blower motor/lawn mower etc. These items always need new
brushes which are not otherwise available. A valuable public service!
Regards
Capitol
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| Grunff replied to Capitol on 12 May 2004 |
Interesting theory, quite plausible.
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| IMM replied to Grunff on 14 May 2004 |
You will,need the grinder to grind them down.
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