Re: Fathers 4 Justice

message from owen on 20 May 2004

More to the point, why crosspost this to a whole bunch of newsgroups that
it's not relevant to?

However, I'll bite, since I'm a fan of debates on contentious issues.

I know from personal experience that Fathers 4 Justice, like any pressure
group, will act first and think later. They will seek as much attention as
possible through doing as outrageous, dumb, strange, ironic stunts as they
can possibly come up with. It matters little whether they look stupid so
long as they are noticed.

I used to work next door to a Cafcas office, and there were several
occasions where F4J gave long, loud, annoying demonstrations outside. Plus,
on at least one occasion, there were bomb threats, and the army bomb
disposal guys had been called out. Another occasion, a dimwit F4J guy
mistook us for the Cafcas office and stuck a brick through the window,
together with half-empty beer can.

Their cause is just, but nothing to do with me. There is no use upsetting
innocent bystanders, it will do a cause no good whatsoever. Disrupting
traffic and hurling flour at the prime minister? Not a good way to win
support. Publicity perhaps, but not support.

Steenkin Man replied to owen on 20 May 2004

If their cause is just then it concerns everyone.

owen replied to Steenkin Man on 20 May 2004

Nope. It doesnt concern me. I'm an innocent bystander.

Kurious Oranj replied to owen on 20 May 2004

"All it takes for bad men to succeed is for good men to do nothing" (or
something like that).

Hopefully, when they come for you, you'll remember all the people that
you DIDN'T stand for.

owen replied to Kurious Oranj on 21 May 2004

So, literally everybody (or every 'good man') is morally obliged to stand up
and support Fathers 4 Justice??? Bollocks.

I broadly agree with an independant Ireland, that doesnt mean I should
support the IRA.

I love animals and dispise the idea of testing on animals for cosmetics.
Doesn't mean I should support those who beat up employees with baseball bats
or throw acid on their cars or threaten their families.

I need to support not just the cause, but the methods too. See?

I cannot support anyone who targets *innocent* people just to get attention.
And that's exactly what Fathers 4 Justice do.

Owen

Philip Lewis replied to owen on 22 May 2004

| "Kurious Oranj" <aaa@bbbcccc.ccffdd> wrote in message
| news:40ad186c$0$25327$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
|
| > "All it takes for bad men to succeed is for good men to do
nothing" (or
| > something like that).
| >
|
| So, literally everybody (or every 'good man') is morally
obliged to stand up
| and support Fathers 4 Justice??? Bollocks.
|
| > Hopefully, when they come for you, you'll remember all the
people that
| > you DIDN'T stand for.
|
| I broadly agree with an independant Ireland, that doesnt mean I
should
| support the IRA.
|
| I love animals and dispise the idea of testing on animals for
cosmetics.
| Doesn't mean I should support those who beat up employees with
baseball bats
| or throw acid on their cars or threaten their families.
|
| I need to support not just the cause, but the methods too.
See?
|
| I cannot support anyone who targets *innocent* people just to
get attention.
| And that's exactly what Fathers 4 Justice do.

Tony Blair 'innocent'!!!!! Oh thats a good one. What IRONY!!!!!

owen replied to Philip Lewis on 22 May 2004

I was referring to their many previous "stunts" where they've disrupted
traffic and caused inconvenience, disturbance and criminal damage to people
who've nothing to do with them or their cause.

Philip Lewis replied to owen on 22 May 2004

Steenkin Man replied to Philip Lewis on 22 May 2004

David Chick wasn't even above a road, as I remember. He was above a
building site. There was no need to stop traffic, the authorities
blocked the roads to prevent sympathy for his cause. Good job the jury
weren't fooled.

Andy Hall replied to Philip Lewis on 22 May 2004

I thinking he was confusing it with "incompetent".......

.andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

Philip Lewis replied to Andy Hall on 22 May 2004

| On Sat, 22 May 2004 03:45:55 +0100, "Philip Lewis"
| <NotTelling@hotmail.com> wrote:
|
| >
| >"owen" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
| >news:40adaa9e$0$25328$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
| >| "Kurious Oranj" <aaa@bbbcccc.ccffdd> wrote in message
| >| news:40ad186c$0$25327$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
| >|
| >| > "All it takes for bad men to succeed is for good men to do
| >nothing" (or
| >| > something like that).
| >| >
| >|
| >| So, literally everybody (or every 'good man') is morally
| >obliged to stand up
| >| and support Fathers 4 Justice??? Bollocks.
| >|
| >| > Hopefully, when they come for you, you'll remember all the
| >people that
| >| > you DIDN'T stand for.
| >|
| >|
| >| I broadly agree with an independant Ireland, that doesnt
mean I
| >should
| >| support the IRA.
| >|
| >| I love animals and dispise the idea of testing on animals
for
| >cosmetics.
| >| Doesn't mean I should support those who beat up employees
with
| >baseball bats
| >| or throw acid on their cars or threaten their families.
| >|
| >| I need to support not just the cause, but the methods too.
| >See?
| >|
| >| I cannot support anyone who targets *innocent* people just
to
| >get attention.
| >| And that's exactly what Fathers 4 Justice do.
| >
| >
| >Tony Blair 'innocent'!!!!! Oh thats a good one. What
IRONY!!!!!
|
| I thinking he was confusing it with "incompetent".......

I was watching the live 'Prime Ministers Question Time' when the
'purple flour' incident happened - the two main protaginists were
trying to outdo each other with 'fish jokes' and jibes about
'oyster bars' - in fact after the incident it was reported that
Tony Blair was miffed because he had a witty riposte' in reserve
that he never got chance to use. Now please reflect on how much
of our taxpayers money is spent on these 'comedians' - these very
same 'comedians' (and comic Tony Blair in particular!) that were
pissed off and 'inconveinienced' by a timely reminder that there
are some very serious (but IGNORED) issues out there that are
directly connected to social stability and the whole picture
takes on a very different perspective!!

Philip Lewis replied to Philip Lewis on 24 May 2004

| On Sat, 22 May 2004 15:00:01 +0100, "Philip Lewis"
| <NotTelling@hotmail.com> wrote:
|
| >I was watching the live 'Prime Ministers Question Time' when
the
| >'purple flour' incident happened - the two main protaginists
were
| >trying to outdo each other with 'fish jokes' and jibes about
| >'oyster bars' - in fact after the incident it was reported
that
| >Tony Blair was miffed because he had a witty riposte' in
reserve
| >that he never got chance to use. Now please reflect on how
much
| >of our taxpayers money is spent on these 'comedians' - these
very
| >same 'comedians' (and comic Tony Blair in particular!) that
were
| >pissed off and 'inconveinienced' by a timely reminder that
there
| >are some very serious (but IGNORED) issues out there that are
| >directly connected to social stability and the whole picture
| >takes on a very different perspective!!
|
| Parliament is not a suitable plaice for fish jokes ...

I agree, they tend to 'skate' over the issues...

IMM replied to Andy Hall on 22 May 2004

Great leader. Great government.

IMM replied to IMM on 23 May 2004

A working class Tory eh! I can never understand these people.

Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip replied to IMM on 22 May 2004

Have you stopped posting "xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" yet?

IMM replied to IMM on 23 May 2004

Bertie, having bad day?

Thanatos replied to owen on 20 May 2004

Better than being a guilty bystander, I suppose.

owen replied to Thanatos on 21 May 2004

Yes it is.

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