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| Steven Briggs replied to BigGuyUK on 15 May 2004 |
Its so good to see the IEE looking after the interests of its members
(i.e. me). Not.
Humbug.
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| Dave Plowman replied to BigGuyUK on 14 May 2004 |
I seem to remember reading a sign in a wholesaler about there being rather
a long changeover period?
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| Lurch replied to Dave Plowman on 14 May 2004 |
Until April 2006, according to the NICEIC.
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| Malcolm Stewart replied to Richard Packer on 14 May 2004 |
Fascinating stuff.
Would anyone know whether these new colours are similar to those in use in
military establishments? I remember an explosion some 20 years ago when we
borrowed a (large) 3-phase rotary convertor or similar from the forces,
installed it, and put 415V where there should only have been 240V. This
installation error was found to be due entirely to confusion about colour codes.
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| Lurch replied to Richard Packer on 15 May 2004 |
Me and my mate were saying that today, as we were rewiring a factory,
knowing full well by the time we're back again to do a test the cable
that we've just put in will be a point for the failures list. That is
if someone hasn't come along, got confused and blown the place to
kingdom come!
That is sort of logical, if a 3 phase motor is going backwards you
reverse 2 of the phases. The problem here is everyone does it
somewhere different, so you never know if yellow is yellow etc... With
2 browns you know they are L1 and L2, just not which way round, which
is where a phase rotation tester comes in handy!
Whether that's the reason behind it or nor I don't know, seems a bit
sensible to me!
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| T i m replied to Richard Packer on 15 May 2004 |
I just went there and the web site is being upgraded as well (as the
colour std)!
T i m
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| Mike Tomlinson replied to BigGuyUK on 15 May 2004 |
"The proposed colours for the conductors of three-phase circuits are
brown, black and grey with a blue neutral conductor, in place of the
traditional red, yellow and blue with a black neutral."
Utterly brilliant. Anyone want to take bets on how much stuff is going
to get blown up?
That said, brown/black/grey for the phases is better than current
Continental wiring practice, which is two browns and a black.
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| EricP replied to BigGuyUK on 14 May 2004 |
Sounds a good sensible decision replacing those bright colours with
nice dark earthy colours, particularly the live one. makes life more
interesting for a sparks in bad lighting conditions.
Who makes these decisions?
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| Lurch replied to EricP on 14 May 2004 |
****ing idiots who wouldn't have a clue what to do with a piece of
wire, red, grey or otherwise, if it was wrapped around their stupid
twatting neck.
Not that I'm against the changes mind!
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| Peter Parry replied to EricP on 14 May 2004 |
The EU. They felt that too few people were being electrocuted in the
UK and that the figures should be brought up to the French level in
the interests of harmonisation and the improved quality of bribes.
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| Dave Plowman replied to EricP on 14 May 2004 |
A large percentage of the adult male population in the UK are red/green
colour blind - in varying degrees. You couldn't really choose worse
colours for the two most important wires safety wise if you tried.
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| Lurch replied to Dave Plowman on 14 May 2004 |
Luckily though, a large percentage of the adult male population in the
UK aren't fully qualified electricians, who are the only people
allowed to wire stuff up according to Part P. So that's all hunky dory
then!
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| Toby replied to Lurch on 15 May 2004 |
Although the guidance notes on the NICEIC site seem to suggest the
registration requirements for the domestic self certification scheme (SCS)
are a lot lower than some had been predicting. The costs though, seem
similar to those for 'approved contractor' status.
It is also good news to see that NICEIC won't be the only show in town, and
that other organisations (such as CORGI) will be offering SCS for their own
members.
[takes cover below parapet]
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| Lobster replied to Toby on 15 May 2004 |
Whereabouts is this info on the site? Am interested in finding more,
but can't see it...
Thanks
David
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| Toby replied to Lobster on 15 May 2004 |
http://www.niceic.org.uk/partp/partpindex.html
and in a press release it seems the personal assessment procedure will be
streamlined in comparison to the approved contractor rigmarole. Still need
your C&G2381.
Prescott says applicants being considered to run SCS for part P are:
BM TRADA Certification Ltd
BRE Certification Ltd
BSI Product Services
CORGI Services Ltd
FENSA Ltd
NICEIC
OFTEC
Zurich Management Services Limited
Fensa! Jeesus.
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| A Non replied to Toby on 15 May 2004 |
The IEE has neglected the interests of its members since the end of
the last century when the Publishing business took over control - sure
INSPEC has a lot to offer ... to academics, who are just one part of
the membership. No wonder mergers are the order of the day ...
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| Andy Hall replied to Toby on 15 May 2004 |
British Boxing Board of Control??
.andy
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| derek replied to Andy Hall on 15 May 2004 |
Whitelist
Worshipful Company of Wire Pullers.
DG
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| Andy Hall replied to derek on 15 May 2004 |
Worshipful Company of something pullers.........
With FENSA (who I can't see having any reason to be involved in
electrical work), any idea of legitimate supervision goes out of the
window.....
.andy
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| Set Square replied to Andy Hall on 15 May 2004 |
They should at least make sure that it's double insulated! <g>
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| John Rumm replied to Set Square on 16 May 2004 |
Any more like this and I will start to glaze over...
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| Andy Hall replied to John Rumm on 16 May 2004 |
I was mullion it over, but it became paneful. Undoubtedly there's a
catch, so I should stay away.
.andy
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| Andy Hall replied to Andy Hall on 16 May 2004 |
Are you cill going on about that? I didn't think it was your stile.
Before we completely vent ourselves of window terminology, and
everyone starts awning I suppose that I'll have to jamb in one more
and frame my reply carefully.
.andy
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| Dave Plowman replied to Lurch on 15 May 2004 |
Heh heh - unless you know different I'd say just the same percentage of
sparks will be colour blind too. Perhaps it's something that should be
tested?
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| Steve Firth replied to Dave Plowman on 16 May 2004 |
Sparks I knew at Granada was colour blind. He used to get his wife to
come along on jobs so she could tell him what the colours were.
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| dave replied to Dave Plowman on 15 May 2004 |
Could never work that out, go to do anything like electrics in the Navy,
for instance, and you get a colour blindness test. You don't get one to be
a civiy electrician
Dave
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| BigGuyUK replied to dave on 15 May 2004 |
Of couse they Do
BigGuyUK
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| dave replied to BigGuyUK on 16 May 2004 |
Ok. name one Tech which gives apprentice electricians, a colour
blindness test.
Dave
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| Lurch replied to BigGuyUK on 15 May 2004 |
Well I didn't, and judging by some of the work I see NICEIC
contractors mashing together it's more than eyes that need testing!
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