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| message from ChrisRi on 19 Jul 2004 |
That's a joke, right? ;o)
The problem with most editors is that people ASSUME that there really IS
such a thing as WYSIWYG on the web. It's a myth.
-Darrel
It's far and away the best WYSIWYG editor I've ever used, if one believes
there is such a thing. ;-) Have you tried it? You might be surprised.
http://www.netobjects.com/
In fact, my partner and I decided to purchase NOF over DreamWeaver because she
was/is _not_ an HTML coder, and had no interest in understanding the
complexities of HTML, CSS, scripting, or compatibilty with user agents, or OS
platforms. She was a pure author. Her statement to me was; "I want to work as
if I'm using Word". NOF cost us $200 more than DreamWeaver, at the time, but we
purchased it because DreamWeaver still required an understanding of the
structure of the tables and table cells in the (WYSIWIG-like) design view.
Also, DreamWeaver's IDE is too inimidating to her.
The drawback was that NOF doesn't have remote team collaboration, so she had
to come over to my place everytime she wanted to put in content. If Contribute
had been available at the time, I would have purchased a copy for her and used
DreamWeaver for me to work over the Internet.
Chris
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| darrel replied to ChrisRi on 19 Jul 2004 |
Do they still update that software?
From what I remember it produced INCREDIBLY bloated, table-based layouts.
No offense, but then she has no business building the pages, then.
Again, there is no such thing as WYSISYG for the web. The apps that claim to
do that, pretty much consistently let users build bloated, non-structural,
poorly accessible markup. This isn't a good thing.
As you mention, DW + contribute would probably have been the best solution
if it were available at the time.
Of course *the* best (not always more affordable, though) solution for
anyone that doesn't want to deal with HTML is to build a good content
management system for the site.
-Darrel
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| ChrisRi replied to darrel on 19 Jul 2004 |
No offense, but then she has no business building the pages, then.
None taken - it's a matter of opinion, right? I will say that I Contribute 2
was designed for _just that_ - non coders who don't want to know anything about
the underlying code-level structure of Web site construction. But, they should
still have knowledge and understand of the abstracts of building Web sites:
accessability, media types, layout design, colours, and such. And, these are
the things she understood. She was a really good graphics artist, too, so that
took a lot of weight off my shoulders, 'cause I suck!
But, I still believe Web development software is going to evolve into
something that can be used by non-coders. And, it'll come from client demand to
put more control of publishing content into the hands of the subject experts,
and leave only the underlying technology in the hands of the Web developer.
Anyway, I'm simply asking everybody here to try the demo of NOF 8 to check out
their <cough> WYSIWYG editor for themselves. I'm not a NOF evangelist, and I
haven't used NOF since version 5. Personally I'm a DreamWeaver guy, now. I
would only ever use NOF again if I were doing work with a non-coder (and
probably would choose Contribute 2, with, as you say, a solid Web management
plan).
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| darrel replied to ChrisRi on 19 Jul 2004 |
Well, sure, but it's a basic design principal in many ways. If one is only
concerned about the visual aesthetic, then the rest of the design solution
is most likely sub-par.
I really hope not. Like I said, look at MS Word. FEW, if any folks use MS
Word correctly. Everyone *thinks* they can use it, but no one truly can use
it to produce well formatted, structured documents.
This is where proper design and implementation of content management systems
in critical.
I do agree with you, the content writers should have no worries about HTML.
They SHOULD only worry about well structured writing. So, they know when to
use headlines, lists, quotes, etc. Whether they know these in the HTML
sense, or in the WYSIWYG sense is irrelevant, but they MUST know how to make
a well structured document.
A good CMS can then store this structure either in HTML, or some other SGML
language.
-Darrel
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