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| message from Stubob100 on 23 Jul 2004 |
Impossible?
Not at all. There's loads of help available on the net for CSS layouts. You
may need to re-consider what browsers you need to support though - what
proportion of your visitors are still using NN4.x ??
For a 3 col layout try http://glish.com/css/7.asp
Good luck.
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| skibabe replied to Stubob100 on 23 Jul 2004 |
Hi,
I have looked at the suggested sites and I'm still stumped the problem is all
three central columns must be the same height and all different colours.
Perhaps it helps to look at the existing site http://www.paisley.ac.uk
I'm trying to make this site more accessible. My boss would like to see us use
CSS so the site can expand and contract to fit the window. AT the moment the
site uses fixed width tables with lots of embedded tables and width in px.
I thought in accessibility terms using tables with fixed widths was a no no.
Any suggestions?
Lynn
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| Stubob100 replied to skibabe on 23 Jul 2004 |
Hi Lynn,
Yes you are right. The W3C accessibility guidlines advise against using tables
for layout. See guideline 5.3.
I've looked at your site and it will be a big job to rebuild it, but not
impossible, and certainly worthwhile for meeting your accessibility obligations
and forward-compatibility with future browsers. You just need to re-educate
yourself in the fundamentals of how web pages work and take a slightly
different approach. Once your templates are set-up and tested you'll be away.
As I said earlier there are plenty of examples just a google away. For 3
columns, same height, try...
http://www.webproducer.at/flexible-layout/
Let us know how you get on.
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| anon replied to Stubob100 on 24 Jul 2004 |
I just read those so-called W3C guidelines and *NO*..... W3C accessibility
guidelines do NOT advise against using tables, what it really says is to
label them if necessary.
And the W3C said to get rid the FONT tag years ago....Well guess what, it
still works and there will ALWAYS be times that a quick and dirty solution
is needs and that's a fact of life especially in enterprise systems.
The poster of that comments must be some brainwashed CSS-P designer or one
of the CSS authors who are trying to get people to drink Kool-Aid laced with
poison.
I did a Google Search on css vs tables and this is what I got
http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2004/05/an_objective_look_at_table_based_vs
_css_based_design/
However, there are so many bugs, even the "experts" find themselves spending
an inordinate amount of time bug fixing. For a novice this must be extremely
frustrating. Not knowing if the problem is down to your misunderstanding of
CSS or some obscure browser bug. Is it any wonder why the same questions
come up time and again on list like CSS-Discuss?
When the browser manufacturers finally get their act together, developing
sites using CSS will get a lot easier. Still, I think most people would
agree that CSS development has a much higher barrier to entry than table
based design. In an odd way, I think this is one reason why CSS based design
is becoming so "popular" amongst web professionals. It allows them to
differentiate themselves from the amateur "FrontPage Cowboys" and take back
the web for themselves. Perhaps this is why many people see web standards as
"Ivory Tower" and why many web standards advocates come across as having a
sense of superiority and a zealous attitude towards web design.
http://www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/0/a569c81864dc4f1bca256e5f001a59c5
The World Wide Web is not enough
Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) are a classic example of the madness. Reared in
a cubicle somewhere, they're pitched as the pinnacle of document styling.
CSS are public, free and future-proof. Sounds great until you realise that:
a) you need a degree to understand them; b) Microsoft doesn't care about
them; and c) they suck. What's more, CSS have been promoted as "the future"
since the mid-90s, and by now the only thing keeping them alive is a steady
stream of guilt and the occasional Movable Type installation.
http://www.decloak.com/Dev/CSSTables/CSS_Tables_01.aspx
"The future of the web is FULL CSS so you should start learning it now."
What happens if Microsoft introduces a few new features to IE 7 that Mozilla
doesn't have OR won't support OR that W3C won't call a standard?
Microsoft did that before and they will specifically go out of their way to
do that again and again to make sure their browser is NOT 100%
standard-give-away-my-secret-sauce to the open source world.
These newsgroups are just like the stock market chat rooms...pump up a
stock, or in this case a CSS book or technology that somehow benefits the
author....
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